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"summary": "Jessica Hische, a renowned lettering artist and designer, discusses her approach to logo design and brand refreshes. She explains why many startups over-invest in branding early on, when a 'good enough' logo is sufficient until the company finds product-market fit. Jessica shares her philosophy that brand should complement the product, not drive the company vision. The conversation covers practical logo design principles, how to recognize when a refresh is needed, the psychology of typography, and how to work with designers. She also discusses her other ventures including children's books, a brick-and-mortar store in Oakland, and her use of AI in creative processes.",
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"text": "If you invest super heavily on the whole brand vision from the jump, sometimes it's like throwing away money if you have to pivot. Internal teams are totally capable of doing early work, and good designers can take the existing vibe and smooth it out when it becomes successful.",
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"text": "If you're using something that's available to everyone, the chances of someone else coming in and copying you are very easy and high. Custom logos matter because success brings people trying to copy your success, and if that's easily copyable, they'll trick your customers.",
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"text": "With brand refreshes, the first round is figuring out what the scope is—how experimental and broad are we going to go—because everything else cascades from there. If we go really broad, we narrow down as we go. If we start close in, we just talk about really technical stuff.",
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"text": "I'm not opposed to Frankensteining options together. I'm like a chef that puts a menu together where you can combine different appetizers and different mains and they all still make sense. Sometimes you have to walk down a path before you understand what the right thing was all along.",
"context": "Jessica explaining her flexibility in design iteration and how clients discover the right direction",
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"text": "The biggest thing was making the illustration and typography feel like they came from the same universe instead of feeling like separate elements. When people have a mishmash grab bag of random trends with no real voice, that's what I call 'hot ham water'—you have to turn that into a coherent soup.",
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"text": "Even as a non-designer, you can look at logos where something's not quite right and feel it instinctively. A good exercise is looking at fonts and asking yourself what feeling it gives you, then write them down without overanalyzing—just the first thing that comes to mind.",
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"text": "If you take Helvetica and just slightly round the edges a little bit, all of a sudden you have a typeface that feels more vintage or softer, because we're perceiving it as printed on paper versus a hard geometric piece of technology.",
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"text": "It's cool to walk back your feelings. Ask yourself why something feels a certain way—it might be because you saw it on a flyer when you were 22, and that brings up that feeling. This informs your decisions because you're not that much of a special snowflake—other people might have adjacent reactions.",
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"text": "Song Exploder your intuition—make a decision intuitively, then dive in to understand why you feel that way. Be forgiving and loose with yourself because you'll get into weird, great inspiration juice.",
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"text": "Stereotypes are real and trends are real—when an industry usurps a style, using anything within that style aligns you with that industry. You can lean into it to signal you're a FinTech company, or reactionary if you want to diverge from the status quo.",
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"text": "With typography, you're following rules but breaking them quite often to correct for optical tricks. You have to create something that's perfect and then make it not perfect in order to make it be perceived as perfect.",
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"text": "Sometimes the simplest solution is the correct solution. The goal is consistency across the bar—having multiple versions of a logo depending on scale makes things complicated.",
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"text": "Having custom handwritten typography works great for a headline, but finding something that matches perfectly without creating a custom typeface for all brand applications is a whole thing. A few elements to play with is like having a wardrobe—you can recombine and blow out a brand system much more easily.",
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"text": "The goal is to design a logo that's so easy to use that you don't have to be an extremely skilled designer to use it well. Brand assets should teach themselves by how they exist—if you hire people with taste, they should be able to intuit how to use it without being explicitly told not to do something.",
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"text": "Some brands are driven purely by brand—they repackage information in a way that makes complicated data accessible to normal people. But for a lot of companies, brand should be somewhat invisible so the thing itself becomes the star.",
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"text": "Being around founders and understanding how building companies works gives me a perspective that many brand people don't have. I understand that early-stage companies have limited resources and shouldn't spend half their annual budget on branding.",
"context": "Jessica's unique positioning as a designer working in tech",
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"text": "I treat branding work more like commercial lettering—keep the creative process lighter and less expensive upfront so there's more room to explore. You own the rights eventually, but only pay to own the final thing chosen, not everything we create along the way.",
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"text": "Always start super top level and ask yourself very broad questions about why you think something isn't working, then go tighter and tighter. Sometimes it could be a specific letter, but first understand the overall reason, not just the little bugaboo that bothers you.",
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"text": "The work that you create can be imbued with so much story and meaning that when thinking about moving on from it, you feel reluctant. The things we keep from our past are kept because the story is so important to us.",
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"text": "The sloggy, slow dregs of work is fulfilling to me. I need breaks from cerebral thinking by doing low-key production—moving Bezier handles around and getting the feeling right is therapeutic zen for me, so I probably won't have AI doing that part.",
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"text": "AI is really good for early brainstorming—generating lists of words or emotions that are adjacent to each other. I can cherry-pick from those rather than brainstorming myself, which is helpful for iterative work like children's books.",
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"text": "When you have enough diversity in what you do, you can maintain enthusiasm for all those different things much longer. The more homogenous your life and career is, the faster you'll burn out—make sure you have enough variety.",
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"text": "I bounce back and forth between projects as I lose steam, so having multiple things to work on keeps me motivated. Rather than taking breaks, I take breaks by working on something that feels fresh.",
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"text": "Hope is a discipline. We have to choose to create positivity, and we can create structure and discipline around being hopeful and positive. Everything we do is a choice and we can choose to frame things one way or another—understanding that you have power in that is really important.",
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"text": "When you hire people because of their vision and expertise, the last thing you want is to micromanage them. The reason you're paying them is because you don't have the bandwidth to do it yourself.",
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"text": "Understanding that nothing is ever 100% perfect and the most you can aspire to is 99.8% helps you move on. You could spend your whole life chasing that last 0.2%, or you could move on and do other things understanding it's nearly perfect.",
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"explicit_text": "My partner works at Meta on GenAI stuff. He's a director on the GenAI team at Meta.",
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"explicit_text": "I speak at a Silicon Valley event that was women in Silicon Valley in 2009 or 2010",
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"explicit_text": "My studio is like Barbie's creative Dream house, where the top floor is my office, and then the bottom floor on one side is a workshop where I do a lot of printmaking, and on the other side downstairs is a brick and mortar store.",
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"explicit_text": "I also have a second store called Drawling, which is drawing with an L thrown in there. That one is an all-ages art supply store.",
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"lesson": "Jessica extends her creative mission into community-facing retail, making art supplies accessible to a broader audience.",
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"explicit_text": "I'm working on another kids' book now, and I'm trying to think of the directions that it can take. One of them is sort of illustrating different feelings and things like that.",
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"storytelling",
"therapy concepts"
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"explicit_text": "My new kid's book coming out in October... It's called My First Book of Fancy Letters, and it is like a new spin on an alphabet book... Each of the letters is drawn to represent the word that it sounds like.",
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"explicit_text": "With my kids, my oldest child is a real super reader. She's always ahead of the game. The second that she could read, she was like 'Oh, picture books are for babies.'",
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"advanced learner",
"kids don't want parents' products"
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"lesson": "Personal anecdote showing the irony that Jessica's own kids dismiss her children's books, but other families find them valuable. Demonstrates how products made for others often gain less appreciation from loved ones.",
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"id": "e17",
"explicit_text": "Hope is a discipline. It was by Mariame Kaba or Mariame Kaba. One of the presenters showed a quote on the screen at a conference up in Portland called XOXO.",
"inferred_identity": "Mariame Kaba, activism/philosophy",
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"activism",
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"lesson": "A single quote encountered at a conference had such impact that Jessica considered getting it as a tattoo, showing how powerful messaging about agency and discipline can be.",
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"explicit_text": "I recently remodeled my home. It's quite stunning. I worked with this amazing architect to help make it as amazing as it is.",
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"lesson": "Shows how Jessica applies her design philosophy of trusting experts to her personal life, resulting in successful outcomes through delegation.",
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"explicit_text": "There's a Japanese brand, Penco, and they make a lot of wonderful stuff. One of the things I bought recently from them is a pen cup, a pencil cup that looks like a lightly crumpled paper bag.",
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"lesson": "Jessica appreciates design that reinterprets existing objects in delightful ways—finding joy in the unexpected transformation of familiar items.",
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"id": "e20",
"explicit_text": "Severance was my favorite TV show I think I've ever watched.",
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"science fiction",
"work-life balance"
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"lesson": "Jessica's taste in media reflects her interests in exploring complex ideas about work, identity, and choice.",
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